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Posted by gary on January 15, 2008, 12:55 pm, in reply to "Re: north americas first marathon"

needless to the say the truth of the matter is, I can run all damn day but not as fast as I once could...with that said taking a magical mystery tour of historic runs and must do runs like circling Manhattan make perfect sense to me. I'd love it if you wanted to run or provide bike support...by the way did you see the post from Gwentwist in the 'Spirit of the Marathon' thread.

--Previous Message--
: Sounds like a plan. It'd need to be an early
: weekend morning to do it but it would be
: manageable. interesting, the track where it
: finished in the bronx still exists (in some
: form)
:
: the manhattan loop is something i've done
: (on a bike) it is called the manhattan
: greenway and is semi under construction but
: is passable and getting better all the time.
: it mostly follows bike paths but goes onto
: city streets a bit (around the UN) and in
: upper manhattan for a while. it is around
: 50k around the loop (give or take a
: kilometer). Why don't you make it an
: unofficial Ted Corbitt memorial , bet some
: of the old school ultra runners in the city
: would join you.
:
: i'm going to attach a link to the greenway
:
:
: http://www.nyc.gov/html/edc/pdf/greenway_mapside.pdf
:
: --Previous Message--
: Larry...I'll volunteer to run the orginal
: course sometime. I also want to run the
: circumference of Manhattan sometime. How
: far?
:
: Steve.... the smallest indoor track in NE
: is/was upstairs at the Grat Cranberry school
: house. We figured it out to be around 50
: laps to the mile.
:
: --Previous Message--
: If you look back at results from the late
: 1800's and early 1900's, there were a number
: of meets in September and even later. There
: seemed to be far less segmented indoor and
: outdoor seasons. I found a clipping from a
: Boston paper from October 1890's, and there
: was an indoor meet announced that early in
: the season; it was noted to be on the
: largest track in the area, a spacious 11
: laps to the mile
:
: Meets were held with summer festivals all
: throught the summer, not like nowadays when
: there is hardly a track and field
: competition except for a few youth
: competitions after mid-July.
:
: Steve Vaitones
:
: --Previous Message--
: I have always been a bit curious so spent a
: little time trying to see if I could find
: the route for the 1896 marathon (Sept 20
: 1896) from Stamford CT to NYC. Nearly
: everything online (and in history books)
: says that it finished at Columbus Circle
: which turns out NOT to be true at all. I
: found archival newspaper information (NY
: Times) that gave the approximate route. It
: started at the armory in Stamford (which
: was/is on Summer St.). The 30 participants
: took a train from NYC at 10:03, it was a
: pouring rainstorm in the morning but the
: race started at 12:26 with 2000 spectators
: at the starting line. The route was
: naturally unpaved and was apparently a
: quagmire of sorts from the rain. It was
: described as hilly. The paper gave the
: intermediate towns along the way and it
: seems likely that the course followed the
: Boston Post Rd (Rt. 1) most or all of the
: way. As I mentioned, the race did not finish
: at Columbus Circle. Instead it finished at
: an athletic field called the Columbia Oval
: (in the Bronx) which apparently was the
: facilty used by Columbia Univ and the
: community at large. There was an afternoon
: track meet (in Sept?) during that day which
: was interrupted to accomodate a highlight of
: the day, the finish of the marathon. It was
: apparently a big draw and a real sensation,
: with several thousand spectators on-hand.
: It was described as a 25 mile run with one
: (or more) lap(s) around the track at the
: finish. Anyway, given what I as able to find
: and using the USTAF running route website to
: unearth as much of the original route as
: possible, I was able to find a route that
: must be close the the course. I included any
: parallel "old-Boston Post Rd.
: sections" where identifiable. My route
: is a bit over 24 miles. Given the
: straightening, paving, flattening and
: widening of roads it is probably close to
: the original route. If you check the
: elevations changes in this course as
: indicated on the USTAF site, it was
: undoubtedly a toughie. The BAA course must
: have been seen as a pancake course vs. this
: one. I'm not surprised the original NY race
: only lasted a year given how hard it was.
: I've had my Vespa out and on about 90% of
: this route a few times and am curious to
: take a look at the rest of it when spring
: comes.
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north americas first marathon - larry January 14, 2008, 11:30 am

Re: north americas first marathon - Stevie V January 14, 2008, 4:10 pm

Re: north americas first marathon - gary January 14, 2008, 4:29 pm

Re: north americas first marathon - LAwrence ALLEN January 15, 2008, 11:02 am

Re: north americas first marathon - gary January 15, 2008, 12:55 pm

New York City Ultra? - Roger M January 15, 2008, 2:33 pm

Re: New York City Ultra? - gary January 15, 2008, 3:29 pm

Re: New York City Ultra? - LA January 15, 2008, 3:40 pm

Re: New York City Ultra? - gary January 15, 2008, 3:57 pm

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--Previous Message-- : needless to the say the truth of the matter : is, I can run all damn day but not as fast : as I once could...with that said taking a : magical mystery tour of historic runs and : must do runs like circling Manhattan make : perfect sense to me. I'd love it if you : wanted to run or provide bike support...by : the way did you see the post from Gwentwist : in the 'Spirit of the Marathon' thread. : : --Previous Message-- : Sounds like a plan. It'd need to be an early : weekend morning to do it but it would be : manageable. interesting, the track where it : finished in the bronx still exists (in some : form) : : the manhattan loop is something i've done : (on a bike) it is called the manhattan : greenway and is semi under construction but : is passable and getting better all the time. : it mostly follows bike paths but goes onto : city streets a bit (around the UN) and in : upper manhattan for a while. it is around : 50k around the loop (give or take a : kilometer). Why don't you make it an : unofficial Ted Corbitt memorial , bet some : of the old school ultra runners in the city : would join you. : : i'm going to attach a link to the greenway : : : : http://www.nyc.gov/html/edc/pdf/greenway_mapside.pdf : : --Previous Message-- : Larry...I'll volunteer to run the orginal : course sometime. I also want to run the : circumference of Manhattan sometime. How : far? : : Steve.... the smallest indoor track in NE : is/was upstairs at the Grat Cranberry school : house. We figured it out to be around 50 : laps to the mile. : : --Previous Message-- : If you look back at results from the late : 1800's and early 1900's, there were a number : of meets in September and even later. There : seemed to be far less segmented indoor and : outdoor seasons. I found a clipping from a : Boston paper from October 1890's, and there : was an indoor meet announced that early in : the season; it was noted to be on the : largest track in the area, a spacious 11 : laps to the mile : : Meets were held with summer festivals all : throught the summer, not like nowadays when : there is hardly a track and field : competition except for a few youth : competitions after mid-July. : : Steve Vaitones : : --Previous Message-- : I have always been a bit curious so spent a : little time trying to see if I could find : the route for the 1896 marathon (Sept 20 : 1896) from Stamford CT to NYC. Nearly : everything online (and in history books) : says that it finished at Columbus Circle : which turns out NOT to be true at all. I : found archival newspaper information (NY : Times) that gave the approximate route. It : started at the armory in Stamford (which : was/is on Summer St.). The 30 participants : took a train from NYC at 10:03, it was a : pouring rainstorm in the morning but the : race started at 12:26 with 2000 spectators : at the starting line. The route was : naturally unpaved and was apparently a : quagmire of sorts from the rain. It was : described as hilly. The paper gave the : intermediate towns along the way and it : seems likely that the course followed the : Boston Post Rd (Rt. 1) most or all of the : way. As I mentioned, the race did not finish : at Columbus Circle. Instead it finished at : an athletic field called the Columbia Oval : (in the Bronx) which apparently was the : facilty used by Columbia Univ and the : community at large. There was an afternoon : track meet (in Sept?) during that day which : was interrupted to accomodate a highlight of : the day, the finish of the marathon. It was : apparently a big draw and a real sensation, : with several thousand spectators on-hand. : It was described as a 25 mile run with one : (or more) lap(s) around the track at the : finish. Anyway, given what I as able to find : and using the USTAF running route website to : unearth as much of the original route as : possible, I was able to find a route that : must be close the the course. I included any : parallel "old-Boston Post Rd. : sections" where identifiable. My route : is a bit over 24 miles. Given the : straightening, paving, flattening and : widening of roads it is probably close to : the original route. If you check the : elevations changes in this course as : indicated on the USTAF site, it was : undoubtedly a toughie. The BAA course must : have been seen as a pancake course vs. this : one. I'm not surprised the original NY race : only lasted a year given how hard it was. : I've had my Vespa out and on about 90% of : this route a few times and am curious to : take a look at the rest of it when spring : comes. : : : : : : : : : : : :

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